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Equality of the Son

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Understanding the deity of Christ is the crux of the Trinity vs. Oneness issue and can get rather complicated for both sides.  For Christ to remain God, he has to be equal with the Father, however, taking the “same plain language” they claim upholds three persons in the Godhead, they have to admit there seems to be a subordination level for Christ, which they declare was a chosen submission. While there are many surface arguments that are often and effectively used, we are going to explore the roots of theology concerning Christ.

Both Sides Mostly Agree:
Jesus Christ was not omnipresent (everywhere at once), omniscient (fully all knowing), and omnipotent(all powerful without physical limitations). These are the three main qualities that define the limitless God of Judaism and Christianity. However, both sides agree Jesus was God.

Seemingly, we have a counterintuitive statement… Jesus was fully God, yet had human limitations. Therefore both sides have to agree that Jesus was a limited form of God, most saying Jesus was fully God and fully man at the same time. This is where the agreement ends.

Trinitarians claim that the Son’s equality to the Father is shown in John 10:30 when Christ says, “I and the Father are one”.

However, they also claim that the eternal Son, by choice, was not equal to the Father in Philippians 2 -
5Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped [other translations elude: “something to be exploited”], 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, [and] being made in the likeness of men.8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.



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Who was Jesus?

Jesus is fully God in human form
Colossians 2
9For in Him all the fullness of Deity [or “the Godhead”] dwells in bodily form, 10and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority; … 12having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead…. 15When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them through Him.

Christ’s Purpose
1 Cor 15
20But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

The previous verses, verses 22-23, show that Christ’s purpose was to become the second Adam, correcting the first Adam’s mistakes, and providing us with an example for us to follow.

Hebrews 9:15
 15For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives. 18Therefore even the first covenant was not inaugurated without blood. 19For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying, “THIS IS THE BLOOD OF THE COVENANT WHICH GOD COMMANDED YOU.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood. 22And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

23Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;25nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own. 26Otherwise, He would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation of the ages He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.


We have covered Christ’s purpose to show that God, the testator of the Old Covenant, had to die sinlessly in order to break the contract and implement a new covenant. As an immortal deity, whether of a tri-unity or singular, God cannot die. Therefore, we run into a problem…

How did Jesus die?

According to Trinitarians, the “eternal” Son fully reduced himself to a human condition - Col 2:7-8
 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, [and] being made in the likeness of men.8Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
 
They provide evidence for His obedience to the Father, as Jesus prayed to the Father in the garden prior to His death, asking that he be released from his duties as the sacrifice for our sins - Luke 22:42
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."

Also in John 12:49 - "For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

Therefore, we must ask this important hinging question -
If, according to the Trinitarian, the “eternal Son” fully embodied Christ, he must have therefore lost his omnipresence (everywhere at once), omniscience (fully all knowing), and omnipotence (all powerful without physical limitations). Therefore, if he lost his defining terms of His deity, was he any longer part of God? Also, if he did or did not lose His deity, did the immortal, eternal Son literally die on the cross so that God (who is now ⅔ of the Godhead) could raise Him back up?  

Given this question, they cancel out their own argument for the full embodiment of the Son in Christ, and return the definitions of deity back to the Son, and give Christ a limited nature of the Son… just as the Oneness give Christ a limited nature of God.  This is a good move in the right direction, but there’s still a problem…

This means, according to the Trinitarian, “all the fullness of the Deity” (some translations say “Godhead”) did not dwell in Jesus in bodily form. Rather, this would in fact, turn the meaning of the scripture to mean, “all the fullness of Deity/ the Godhead” of the Son dwelt in bodily form.  

Their only means of retreat in this line of thinking is that the limited form of the Son embodied the “ideals” per say of the Triune Godhead… yet, it’s clear that is not what the scripture means literally by the word “fullness”...  “Fullness” meaning: Cognate: 4138 plḗrōma – "sum total, fulness, even (super) abundance"  

Scriptures of Note for Showing Inequality of the Godhead:
Luke 22:42
"Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done."

John 12:49 - "For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak.

John 3:35  - "The Father loves the Son and has given all things into His hand.


The Bottom Line

1. The first Adam brought sin into the world, so it took the death of a second sinless Adam to cleanse humanity.

1 Cor 15 22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

2. Yahweh, the God of the Old Testament, could not relate to our temptations and trials, and yet still had to dwell among us for his plan to be complete. Therefore, he had to limit himself in mind, power, and physical limitation and be born of a woman without a human father, therefore creating the Father/Son relationship.

Word = 3056 Logos = being the expression of thought, a saying  [One could also say a “plan”]

John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

John 5:26
"For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself;

John 1(continued)   
14And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth…  18No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.


John 16:25
"These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; an hour is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but will tell you plainly of the Father.


3. In order to be our advocate in judgement, he had to be limited “in likeness as we are”, therefore having human needs in his flesh, such as food, prayer, fasting, learning, etc.

Romans 8:3
“For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”

4. Yahweh (God) needed a sacrifice to cleanse the sins of those who follow Him, and wanted to do it in the most loving way possible, therefore offering himself for the sins of the world.

2 Cor 5:21 - He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.  

5. If the Trinity is correct, that would mean that only ⅓ of the Triune coorperation can relate to humanity, and that if Christ is our advocate with the Father, the Father still has no connection to humankind. The Father, therefore, had to have come down Himself in limited form, therefore acting in our behalf as an advocate.

Isaiah 9:6
6For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;

           And the government will rest on His shoulders;

           And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,

           Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

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